The government has been spreading misinformation, trying to scare people into believing that severe illness and death is happening because people refuse to get vaccinated. But is this really true?

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Emma: Hi, Brittany.

Brittany: Hi, Emma.

Emma: So I want to rewind a couple of months and talk about a thing that President Biden said a couple of months ago when he was asked about COVID and about the Omicron variant and someone was talking with him and one of his health officials and basically was like, well, what do you have to say to people who are unvaccinated? And he basically claimed that it was going to be this winter of severe illness and death. And it was so strange because I’m sure you remember seeing this statement, Brittany. It was like, to the vaccinated, we say, we are with you, we hear you, and we see your struggles and we’re gonna get through this together and we’re going to reopen the schools for you and it will be easy. And then they go, and to the unvaccinated, we warn you, you know, sternly about a winter of severe illness. And Yes.

Brittany: No, it was crazy.

Emma: It was insane. It was one of those moments where I was just like, how is this real? How is this possible that this is coming from the White House literally dividing people into two groups of people who did the right thing and people who did the wrong thing? And that is just very, very shocking to me when it comes to something as personal as a vaccine and as people’s medical decisions. Once again, like we talk about this all the time if someone has, you know, read into it and they want to get the vaccine and they believe that’s a good decision for them, awesome. I have plenty of friends and family who have made that decision and I respect their autonomy and their ability to make that decision. But it’s not much of a decision when you’re being forced to do it by the government. And that’s pretty much where we’re at. They’re basically taking consent out of the equation when they say, well, if you’re unvaccinated, then you’re gonna have this horrible winter. Your family’s gonna die, you’re gonna get sick and be hospitalized. And it’s, it’s just pretty crazy to me to hear that. So I thought maybe we could just do a little revisit. We’re about to start the month of February, we’re well into winter. let’s talk about if it’s been a, a winter of severe illness and death. Brittany, what do you think? Do you think that that statement has proven true?

Brittany: No, I don’t think Biden even knows what’s going on anyway. Like, but it’s, funny, but it’s also sad because of how disconnect he seems to reality. But no, I don’t, and that was such a blatant display of fearmongering, but there’s two things that really bothered me about it. First of all, a president threatening, cuz it was threatening. Yeah. To me, that was very threatening, is scary on its own. And the second thing is that there are actually at home who believe this. I have a cousin, she’s not gonna listen to this, so I don’t even feel bad who’s nuts? To put it bluntly, she is one of those people that if you are doing anything contrary to what she is doing with COVID right now, then you are a murderer. You are killing people. Oh yeah. You are a bad person. and I think of people like her who hear this and they’re sitting at home and they are buying, you know, they’re hanging on every word. Yeah. And they’re letting that fear monger. And the thing that really makes me sad about this is I think we’ve all been reminded about how precious life is during, during COVID, but even more so, if you are not really living your life, what is the point of being alive? Yeah. And that’s what’s really shocked me about this, is we have seen what happens when everything is taken away from us when our businesses are closed down, when our wellbeing is taken from us because we’re forced to spend our days and our house, you know, working from home. Yeah. And just, just miserable. We’ve seen what this is and this is not living, you know? Yeah. For those of us, I mean, people like you and I, know that for at least for at least the last year and a half, my life has pretty much continued as normal, as much as it could be. Even during the pandemic, I was hanging out with people. I had a friend group I was still seeing because Oh yeah. My mental health to me was more important than a virus that I wasn’t too scared about. I’m young and healthy and Right. You know, so but I think about people who haven’t been living their life and I think they almost wanna double down on it because they’re angry. Yeah. I think they’re actually angry that there are people like you and I who have stopped living in fear. Absolutely. That they almost want the winter of death. Right. They almost want this winter of death and illness to happen because they think it’s gonna serve us. Right. And that’s even scarier to me. Yeah. Because that’s like envy and it’s resentment and they think, well if you guys are gonna, you know, if I have to stay at home and be miserable, then you guys are gonna be miserable too. And if not, I wish, you know, death upon you and it’s Right. How have we come this far? I remember in the beginning thinking maybe COVID would bring us together as a country. Yeah. it 100% did not bring us together. One thing I will say is I do think as this continues, like every time there’s a new variant, in fact, I was looking at the news this morning, I dunno if you saw, there’s another new variant they haven’t named yet. Oh, great. And they’re already saying like, oh yeah, they’re already like, this one’s even 1.5 times more, you know, spreadable than, than Omicron. I just keep thinking like, I think the more this happens and they tend to be getting less severe each time. Yeah. I think people are done. I think for the most part people are just like, we are uniting on the fact that it’s like, we can’t do this anymore. Like, yes, you’ve ruined our lives. You’ve canceled schools, teachers still are trying not to go back to school or using any excuse. I know it. Yeah. So, yeah. I think it’s such a divisive move. I think it’s resentment and envy and really just, it’s hard to be shocked by anything anymore because we live, it’s true. Right. In such weird times. But when I heard Biden say that, I’m just like, is this for real?

Emma: Yeah. No, I, had the exact same reaction. Like we’ve talked about this in multiple episodes recently where you just go, how is this really happening? How, how did that come from the actual White House? Yep. From the person that was elected to represent the entire country, not just the people that voted for him. Like it’s, it’s a really, really crazy thing. And the interesting thing you mentioned is that there’s already a new variant coming out. I actually got the Omicron variant, me and a couple of others in my family. And I know it’s obviously different from person to person, the symptoms and stuff, but it was not at all anything like when I got COVID originally when it was first going around.

Brittany: Oh, you got both?

Emma: Yeah, I’ve had both. And this time it was so much less severe. It, truly felt like having, you know, a cold or like some sort of just kind of standard virus that you get in the winter, you eat your chicken soup and you kind of stay home and rest. And I was totally fine. And again, I don’t wanna sound like overly dismissive because maybe there are some people who’ve had some worse symptoms with it. But that’s the thing about this virus as it mutates and as it gets these new variants, they actually get less and less severe. Yeah. And so omicron or whatever it, however, it’s pronounced, that’s just how I say it. I truly do not know how to say it. But this could actually be a really positive thing that a lot of people are going to get this cuz it is very contagious, but it’s way less severe. It’s way less deadly. And that’s the part that the media leaves out because obviously they want us to be scared and they want our cliques and our views and all of our fear. But this is actually a very positive thing overall because so many people are gonna be exposed to this really mild form of the virus, then they will have the antibodies, and the next time the virus comes through with the next variant, they will be able to fight it off very effectively. And that’s essentially what people try to replicate with vaccines is introducing people to a small amount of a virus, at least with a traditional vaccine. The MRNA stuff I know not very much about and I think barely anyone else does either. But a traditional vaccine basically exposes you to a tiny bit of this bad thing, this virus or this disease. And then your body learns how to fight it off. And that’s basically what this omicron variant is it’s giving people the ability to actually fight it off and have the antibodies, which are way more powerful than a vaccine. So it’s just crazy to me to see how that has been totally disregarded. You know, people with natural antibodies are not allowed to go into events where vaccines are required unless they’ve been vaccinated.

Brittany: And it’s what Six Times they’re saying even Fauci came out and said like, your natural antibodies, you’re six times more effective. Right. It’s just crazy.

Emma: Right. So even he is admitting it and yet there’s still this disconnect between the reality that exists that we know has been proven, which is that, you know, these antibodies are actually really good for us and they protect us. And there’s this disconnect between that and the actual policies that we are forced to live under. So, you know, there are certain states where if I were to visit, I wouldn’t be able to do anything because I’m not vaccinated and boosted. I’ve just had COVID a couple of times and I have the antibodies and I’m okay. And like you said, Brittany, I’m young, I’m healthy and I don’t have a preexisting condition that would put me at risk. So, I’m okay and I’m also not a threat to others. And yet that still I’m not able to live a normal life. And it’s really crazy. there’s a comic, a comic named Dave Smith that I follow and he’s had some.

Brittany: I opens for him actually.

Emma: You did? That’s cool. Yeah. I’m such a fan. That’s pretty awesome. That’s a sweet like claim to fame.

Brittany: Yes, It is.

Emma: That’s great. But he’s really cool and he has had some great thoughts on COVID stuff. That was actually how I first came across him. he called the vaccine passport system, a cast system. And a cast system, if you’re not familiar, is basically, like a social divider that breaks people up into different groups based on something about themselves that they can’t really control. And this caste system that we’re facing right now is this Vaccine Passport one where there are basically two different lifestyles that exist right now. There’s one for people who’ve been vaccinated and they can go out and they can do whatever they want. And then there’s one for people who haven’t regardless of what the science actually tells us. So that to me is super scary. And Brittany, I don’t know if you have any thoughts on like dividing people up like that, but to me it’s just, it’s really unnerving and I don’t see it going away because there’s always gonna be some sort of illness or some sort of scary thing. And I’m, very worried about the attitude that people have taken on here, which is like, oh, you just need to comply so that we can go back to normal. Like, what the heck is that? Yeah.

Brittany: And even more scary than that. And so there’s things like monoclonal antibodies and there’s these treatments. Yes. And they’re actually states and New York is one of them is saying you can’t get them unless, like basically if you’re white you can’t get them. Yeah. You can only get them if you are someone who’s black or Hispanic or another like underprivileged whatever they’re designating at. Yeah. Which is, not only just racist in general, but it’s also, what’s interesting about that is a lot of minority, communities are the ones that are the most opposed to government-mandated vaccines.

Emma: Absolutely.

Brittany: Because we talked about this Tuskegee experiment. So I guess like there’s been so many instances where the government has just really thrown these people under the bus that they’re like, no, I’m not gonna do this. and then so they’re Pascal Israel. So I think the caste system analogy is perfect because it is, yeah. It’s like separating people by class and even by race. So it’s, just nuts.

Emma: It’s extremely nuts and I’m worried about it as a whole, but that’s why I’m so glad that we have this community with Tuttle Twins where it’s these like-minded folks where maybe some people that read our books are vaccinated, maybe some aren’t. Yeah. And that’s okay cuz we’re allowed to disagree on our, not even disagree. We’re allowed to make different decisions for what’s best for us, but we still respect each other’s autonomy and we respect each other’s ability to make those calls. And that’s what’s so awesome. Just about our readers and our listeners is like kudos to you guys for being a part of this group. Yep. Because it’s not normal anymore to think this way. I use normal, words with quotes.

Brittany: And don’t even have discussions. Yeah. To even have like, talks about it.

Emma: Yeah. To even talk about it. So my caution or not caution, my word of encouragement to you guys would be don’t be afraid of having these discussions with people even if you disagree with them, even if maybe you’ve made different decisions talking about these things and having conversations and being willing to have dialogue. I think that’s the only way we’re gonna get away from this horrible, you know, oh, you’re all gonna have a horrible, severe winter of death. Like the solution to that is for us being willing to work with each other and talk to each other. So that would be my word of encouragement as we close. Thank you so much for listening, guys, as always. And we will talk to you all again soon.

Brittany: Talk to you soon.